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  • Amen

    Originally posted by Die Ou Man View Post
    Ons begin hierdie draad met 'n tafelgebed. Voor die ete word die seën gevra. Die een waarmee ek groot geword het, het soos volg gelui:

    Segen Vader.
    Gee by die ete
    dat ons U
    nimmer sal vergete.

    Na afloop van die maal, is die dankgebed gedoen.

    Vir spys en drank
    seg ons U naam
    met lof en dank

    Sonder slagtyd op die plaas, was daar egter geen vleis op die tafel nie. Tafelgebed of te not.
    More Ou Man,

    Openb. 3:14 En skryf aan die engel van die gemeente van die Laodicense: Dít sê die Amen, die getroue en waaragtige Getuie, die begin van die skepping van God:


  • #2
    Re: Slagtyd op die Plaas

    Originally posted by amichaEL View Post
    Openb. 3:14 En skryf aan die engel van die gemeente van die Laodicense: Dít sê die Amen, die getroue en waaragtige Getuie, die begin van die skepping van God:
    Dankie ,

    Amen brought the Elohim in to existance thru the spoken word. Yahweh was one of the Elohim.


    • #3
      Re: Amen


      In etymology, Is-Ra-El, the theophoric (Ѻ) parts of the name Israel, e.g. the Israelites, i.e. the followers of the Judaic religion, refers to root meaning of the compound parts, namely the Egyptian gods Isis (rescripted as Sarah) and Ra (rescripted as Abraham), and the Canaanite god El (rendered as "lord" in the Old Testament).

      An 1859 semi-accurate etymology of the
      “Is-Ra-El”, showing that the ‘Is-’ prefix is
      short of the Egyptian goddess Isis. [6]
      The middle term "Ra", such as is found
      in Ab-Ra-ham (and B-Ra-hma) is code
      for Ra the main Egyptian sun god. The
      suffix "El' refers to the offspring of a
      Canaanite creator god god.
      In 1791, Constantin Volney (RMS:23), in his The Ruins: a Survey of the Revolutions of Empires, citing the Isis and Osiris descriptions of Plutarch, and the previous work of Charles Dupuis (RMS:22), stated as a matter of fact, that the “god of Moses was Egyptian”. This assertion was quickly attacked by Joseph Priestley (1797), and thereby run amuck. These types of dangerous assertions, in short, were quickly subterfuged. The personal correspondence between the 2nd and 3rd American presidents testifies to this:
      “We think ourselves possessed, or, at least, we boast that we are so, of liberty of conscience on all subjects. Yet, how far are we from these exalted privileges in fact! There exists, I believe, throughout the whole Christian world, a law which makes it blasphemy to deny or doubt the divine inspiration of all the books of the Old and New Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation. Who would run the risk of translating Dupuis?”
      — John Adams (1825), “Letter to Thomas Jefferson”, Jan 23

      Adams and Jefferson, to repeat, two of the biggest geniuses in the history of America, feared the risks associated with translating the generally correct views of Charles Dupuis, e.g. his 1781 "Fable by Astronomy", from French into English?

      In 1858, Samuel Dunlap, in his Vestiges of the Spirit of Man, citing Franz Movers (1841), stated that the Hebrews were the first to turn the ancient sun gods into patriarchs (e.g. Atum → Adam, Ra → Abraham, Nun → Noah, etc.), therein mediating a de-deification or god reduction: [1]
      “In this way antiquity disposes of its sun-gods. The Hebrews turned [the sun gods] into Patriarchs. Adam, Abraham, Israel, were names of Saturn. Edom is Adam; and the ancient usage was to name the nation, the land or city after the chief god. The Greeks made these deities founders of tribes.”

      In 1884, Helena Blavatsky, in volume two of her Isis Unveiled, citing Dutch Egyptologist Willem Pleyte (1836-1903) (Ѻ), on El, and Hodder Westropp and Wake Staniland on Phallism, stated the following view: [7]
      “El, the sun-god of the Syrians, the Egyptians, and the Semites, is declared by Pleyte to be no other than Set or Seth, and El is the primeval Saturn—Israel. Siva is an AEthiopian god, the same as the Chaldean Baal–Bel; thus he is also Saturn. Saturn, El, Seth and Kiyun, or the biblical Chiun of Amos, are all one and the same deity, and may be all regarded in their worst aspect as Typhon [Set] the Destroyer. When the religious pantheon assumed a more definite expression, Typhon was separated from his androgyne—the good deity, and fell into degradation as a brutal unintellectual power.”

      In 1927, Thomas Spivey, in his Christianity and Mythology, after stating that “El means god” (pg. 44), was summarized the Israel etymology (pgs. 45) as follows: [2]
      “Is = light + Ra = sun + El = first cause. Israel = the church of god. Hence, it is the church of god which goes forth to usurp the power and control of established governments, and the church of god rewards the Jews for support by giving them control over Canaan, merchandizing and trading.”

      In 1935, Spivey, in his The Awakening of the Sixth Sense, state the Israel etymology as follows: [3]
      “The prophet whom it is so important to vindicate is ‘Is-a-iah’. Is means light. Is-ra-el is: Is, the light of Ra, the sun, is El, the first cause. The Hebrews express Isis as Jesse, ... Is in Israel is identical with Isis, the Egyptian goddess of light; light meaning revealed wisdom, knowledge.”

      In 1956, Hilton Hotema, in his Ancient Sun God, building on Samuel Dunlap (1858), devoted an entire chapter to “Ab-Ram the Sun-God”, in which he cites Dunlap as having said the following (hyphens included): [4]
      “The fire-god of Ur was Ab-Ram. The Hebrew world ‘Ab’ means ‘father’, and Ram (head sign of the Zodiac) means ‘most high’. Ab-Ram and Is-Ra-El were names of Saturn.”

      A visual of the compound term "Israel"
      meaning land of the gods Isis, Ra, and
      El, compounded together as one
      tripartite god, i.e. Is-Ra-El.
      In c.2000, Jordan Maxwell, who, in his “The Solar Cult” (2000), lists (Ѻ) Hilton Hotema as his 6th recommended reading scholar, “Is Ra El” video lecture Q&A, gives a fairly cogent synopsis of how, in his view, Judaism was formed by the migration process wherein the Phoenician Canaanites, aka Hebrews, with their embedded religion of the Isis Cult and Amen-Ra religion, moved north and encountered the Palestine god El, whom Maxwell defines as the planet Saturn. [5]

      In 2011, Collin Bowling put things thusly: [8]
      “The word Israel is another representation of past themes. Isis was the Egyptian moon goddess. Ra was the sun god of Egypt. Saturn was the god of the Elohim. Isis (Is), Ra, and Elohim (El) - IsRaEl.”


      The connection between Saturn, as defined in Greco-Roman mythology (itself a morph of Egyptian mythology), and El, as re-conceptualized in Canaanite mythology, to note, is a subject to be clarified further.


      Dunlap (1858), above, in his “the Hebrews were the first to turn gods into Patriarchs”, gives a fairly cogent and oft-unspoken statement. It takes some time, e.g., to decode the fact that Ra, the main Egyptian sun god, was turned, via literary rewrite, into the character Abraham (Ab-Ra-ham), the main Patriarch of the Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions, or that Nun, the main Egyptian primordial god, conceptualized as the chaotic waters that existed at the start of creation, became the character Noah (or Nuh, as he is called in Islam). Wallis Budge (1904), of note, calls this process, of making a monotheism out of a polytheism, “god reduction”. Changing gods into prophets, in short, reduces the number of previously believed in gods, while at the same time keeping the established religion.
      “Who is there that does not know that the vapor of the sun is kindled by the rising of the dog-star [Sirius]? The most powerful effects are felt on the earth from this star. "When it rises, the seas are troubled, the wines in our cellars ferment, and stagnant waters are set in motion. There is a wild beast, named by the Egyptians Oryx, which, when the star rises, is said to stand opposite to it, to look steadfastly at it, and then to sneeze, as if it were worshiping it. There is no doubt that dogs, during the whole of this period, are peculiarly disposed to become rabid.”
      — Pliny the elder (77AD), “On the Rising of the Dog Star”[6][/RIGHT]

      The gist of the above assembly of opinions is that the people who wrote the Old Testament, aka the Jewish Bible, took the sun (Ra), the star Sirius (Isis), and the annual Nile flood (Nun), and rewrote this into marriage of Abraham (Ra/Sun) and Sarah (Isis/Sirius) who are born from Noah (Nun/Nile River) after the Biblical flood. The followers of this new Egyptian modified, i.e. modified by adding in El (and other gods, e.g. Aten), religion, accordingly came to be known as the Is-Ra-El-ites, and their main religious center called “Israel”, similar to how Heliopolis used to be known (see: Heliopolis creation myth), in Egypt, as the city of the sun (aka center of Ra worship).


      The following are related quotes:

      A screenshot from a Jordan Maxwell video
      (Ѻ), where he discusses Isis-Ra-El, as he
      understood things; where we also see the
      Egyptian god Amen, who was turned into
      the word said at the end of prayers (e.g.
      Lord's prayer). Here we see the trick used
      to turn four gods (polytheism) turned into
      one god (monotheism).
      “The ‘Choens’ [Cohens] (Ѻ) are most senior Egyptian priest-teachers.”
      — Herodotus (c.450BC) [9]
      “Of the relation between the Is-RA-elitish story, whether in its older or in its more recent form, and Egyptian myths not much need here be said. In very early and probably pre-Israelitish times Egypt may have had considerable religious influence on the land of Canaan or Palestine, and it would be easy to indicate points of affinity between the Egyptian cosmogony and that in Genesis. The conception of the primeval watery envelope of all things, also that of creation by a word, also the story of the conflict between Re or Ra the sun god and the gigantic dragon Apepi or Apopi, remind us forcibly of the Babylonian and in a wide sense of the Hebrew cosmogony. But while fully admitting the combination of influences to which the Israelites were exposed, I do not think that the influence of Egypt upon the Israelites can be reckoned as at all comparable to that of Babylonia.”
      — Thomas Cheyne (1907), Traditions and Beliefs of Ancient Israel [10]
      “Israelites means ‘El prevails’.”
      — Dorothy Murdock (2014)

        • Movers, Franz C. (1841). The Phoenicians, Volume One (Die Phonizier, Volume One) (86, 130) (arc). Publisher.
        • Dunlap, Samuel F. (1858). Vestiges of the Spirit History of Man (Israel, pg. 53). Publisher.

      1. Spivey, Thomas S. (1927). Christianity and Mythology (pg. 45). Book Tree, 2002.
      2. Spivey, Thomas S. (1935). The Awakening of the Sixth Sense (pg. 236). Publisher.
        • Dunlap, Samuel F. (1858). Vestiges of the Spirit History of Man (Ra, 19+ pgs; Brahma, 24+ pgs; Abraham, 15+ pgs; Ab-Ram, 7+ pgs). Publisher.
        • Hotema, Hilton. (1956). Ancient Sun God (pg. 26). Publisher.

        • Maxwell, Jordan. (c.2000). “Essential Jordan Maxwell: Isis-Ra-El = Israel (It’s Not Holy). Amen”, Merkabah Master Truther, Apr 30.
        • Maxwell, Jordan; Tice, Paul; Snow, Alan. (2000). That Old-Time Religion: the Story of Religious Foundations (§:The Solar Cult, pgs. 35-54; Bibliography and Recommended Reading, pg. 74). The Book Tree.

      3. Pliny (the Elder). (77AD). Natural History, Volume 1 (translators: John Bostock and H.T. Riley) (pg. 67). Henry G. Bohn, 1855.
        • Westropp, Hodder M. (1870). “Phallic Worship”, read before the Anthropological Society of London on Apr 5.
        • Wake, C. Staniland. (1870). “Phallic Idea in the Religions of Antiquity”, read before the Anthropological Society of London on Apr 5.
        • Wake, C. Staniland and Westropp, Hodder M. (1870). Phallism in Ancient Worships (with an introduction, additional notes, and an appendix by Alexander Wilder)(abs) (pg. 74). Publisher.
        • Blavatsky, Helena. (1884). Isis Unveiled: a Master-Key to the Mysteries of Ancient and Modern Science and Theology, Volume Two, Theology (pg. 524]), J.W. Bouton.

      4. Bowling, Collin. (2011), A New Order of the Ages (pg. 166). iUniverse.
      5. Gordon, J.S. (2011). Land of the Fallen Star Gods: the Celestial Origins of Ancient Egypt (pg. #). Inner Traditions.
        • Usual books on Egyptian religion (Brugsch, Wiedemann, etc.)
        • Grenfell, Alice. (1906). “Egyptian Mythology and the Bible”, The Monist, 16:169-200.
        • St. Clair, George. (1898). Creation Records Discovered in Egypt. Nutt.
        • Cheyne, Thomas K. (1907). Traditions and Beliefs of Ancient Israel (pgs. 4-5). A. and C. Black.

      6. Davis, Singleton W. (1910). “The Bible a Book of Myths: Second Paper” (pg. 520), The Humanitarian Review, 9:519-.