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    Default Re: I.V.M. "Die Koningin Van Die Suide"

    Hi Fulcrum
    Thank you for your response.
    Yes, i do know the apostate church has rewritten the Bible, In the NIV's they have made many disturbing changes.

    The thing is this. I was brought up basic Christian, in boarding schools my whole life.
    When I left and was able to think for myself i looked into other belief systems.
    I eventually came to a point of " So many Gods and doctrines, which one is true ?"

    The mathematics in Ivan Panin sealed it for me. The book is a good read and more informative than the site.
    No God would leave us here without the " rules of the game" is my thinking.
    Please read Panin!!!
    Another Panin Challenge





    I am not that closed minded though and I would appreciate you sending me some links on how the Bible was corrupted etc.

    As i said before , some information is beneficial and some is Crucial.
    before i go and spend time going into the " blood sacrifice " route,as I have much of my own research to do and time is short, I would like to know
    How does it influence our beliefs today, what difference does it actually make in our lives today?

    Thank you for your time.
    Blessings
    Bee777
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    Evening Bee,

    In my previous post I mentioned that I am only interested in older versions (1933 and older) of the bible, because they still separate some of the terms used to name God. The fact that the words in the bible change with every new publication also changes Panin's formula. If the words are no longer the same then the numbers are no longer the same, the flaw in the formula. Panin studied the bible 100 years ago, an already flawed version subjected to change ever since the first scriptures were written and not to forget the fact that "LORD God" was changed from the older bibles to "Lord God" in the newer bibles, something that changes the mathematics behind Panin's theory even more because upper case letters have different meanings than lower case letters in mathematics. But still the fact remains that the bibles available back then were according to me more accurate than they are now. There is of course another interesting fact that basically jumps right up into one's face and even though I have no solid proof of this the one number that we all know is connected with the devil is the number 6/66/666, an interresting fact seeing as how it is supposed to be the word of God, but why give the bible 66 books? Perhaps the only number still worth mentioning as it quite obviously stamps the bible with the influence of satan serving as a warning to me that not all is well inside the book, somewhere something is seriously wrong. All the sevens in the bible neatly wrapped in the 66 of satan. Dont get me wrong, I believe that the truth is in the bible, but, the bible is most definately not the truth. With carefull study one will find 50% of God's truth in the bible, with even more carefull study one will find that God reserved the other 50% of the bible so those with enough vision can also find the truth about the lies told in the bible, do not think for one minute that the devil doesn't know the bible, Old Nick knows the bible better than you and me, and that is exactly why he is using it to mislead us. We are ignorant to believe that the time of the devil's deception through the leaders of the world lay in the future, it has already begun. The church leads the world and the church is rotten. It is heartbreaking to know that they corrupted the Bible.

    Take a look at this picture:


    Note the symbols in the highlights of the picture in the above link where you can clearly see the coruption of the text in an later version of Hebrew, meaning they were added after the original has been written. Also note that this is the book of Psalms, the very same Psalms found in all the bibles made off of these scrolls. The truth is in these scrolls but it was corrupted by the re-writer.

    My reply on your request for proof of corruption, scroll down until you see the same picture as on the first link, the heading is "Pronouncing the tetragrammaton" : Names of God in Judaism


    I also have some other samples should you require any.


    As for Blood Sacrifices and Rituals, how do they not affect our beliefs today, they are after all gifts to Satan so what are they doing in the bible as offerings to God?
    Éx

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    Hi fulcrum
    i hear what you are saying.

    Panin studied the bible 100 years ago, an already flawed version subjected to change ever since the first scriptures were written and not to forget the fact that "LORD God" was changed from the older bibles to "Lord God" in the newer bibles, something that changes the mathematics behind Panin's theory even more because upper case letters have different meanings than lower case letters in mathematics
    No, that is incorrect though.
    Lower case VS upper case letters do not have a different numerical values.
    On one of the links I gave you a re challenge to prove Panin wrong was reissued and no luck so far.

    I do know some words have been changed, The KJV gives you a glossary in the back of what words have been changed. But something Divine has happened that even with these small changes the Numerics still stand.

    Thank you for all the links I will look into them.
    The fact that I have found things in the Bible that Satan does not want us to know ( as his main aim is for us to accept his seed, therefore committing the sin unto death/Mark of the Beast) and I can prove it Biblically through and through As we can see in the Churches that is his main aim and he is succeeding but hasn't managed to remove it from the KJV, but yes, he has removed it from the NIV in many places. ( I won't touch a NIV for study purposes and proof )This tells me Satan doesn't have so much influence in the KJV.
    So all he has do do know is make the KJV null and void and then He would have succeeded in removing the sin unto death altogether. Do you see that scenario??

    Satan has two basic aims. Stop them from believing in Jesus Christ as saviour and two, if they do, sell them the mark of the beast the sin unto death which is the same as the fall in Eden. simple, but he has many ploys to accomplish these two aims.

    As for Blood Sacrifices and Rituals, how do they not affect our beliefs today, they are after all gifts to Satan so what are they doing in the bible as offerings to God?
    Ok so we don't do this any more so by going into deep debates about it is falling for another of Satan's tricks to keep our minds busy and off the first two aims he has for us, as mentioned above and also causing dissension between brothers and sisters in Christ.
    That's the way I see it ?

    Blessings
    Bee777

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    Hello Bee,

    I mentioned in my last post that uppercase and lowercase letters have different values, sorry, you are correct, when it comes to the value of a letter it does not change the numeric value, I was thinking of the value when used in formulas.

    I did however make an interesting discovery regarding numeric values of words used in common writings and also in the Islamic Quran. Tell me, you are not Islamic are you? It turns out that their "Bible" is also "divinely" inspired. According to the numeric values in their bible Allah is the creator of heaven and earth and the seas and their "holy" numbers also jump up everywhere in the Quran. You are quite right, Ivan Panin made no mistake with his numeric investigations, they are all accurate, however it does not prove that the bible is divinely inspired, only that there are numeric patterns. Ask yourself this, who invented math, algebra, who discovered it first, why are there still secrets to how the Egyptians built all their great pyramids? where did they learn all of the precise mathematical calculations used to build the pyramyds? Can you truly say that people back then were unable to work out numeric values for words and letters? Or are you going to believe the Quran also because it is devinely inspired? Moreover there are even common storybooks with numeric patterns. From my own point of view, any sentence without some kind of numeric value or structure would make no sense, the tenses, grammar, spelling would all be incorrect. Words need a certain amout of vowels and consonants to be words and the amount of vowels/consonats deternine the numeric value. I am not saying that this is about language classes, I am only saying that numerics determine a certain order of letters or vice versa.

    Here is but one link where you can see some interesting facts about numerics in the Quran, I am certain that with some time for google you would find much more, I did.

    there-is-a-mathematical-miracle-in-the-quran-that-proves-it-is-the-word-of-god


    As I took a long time to reply to this post, I am not certain if I will speak to you again before Christmas, may you have a blessed one.
    Éx

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    Hi Fulcrum
    I trust you had a Blessed holiday and if you went away are home safely.

    I know rthere is some sorte of a numerical pattern in the quran but it is nothing involved to the Bible one.
    The Quran is just counting words etc
    i have heard of another numerical formula in the quran and all the numbers are equal to 9
    as the Bible is equal to 7. ( personally i have not been able to see and test it)

    We all know that 7 is the God of the Bible's number as His cycles run in sevens and then to find out that 7 is also the underlying numerical formula to back it up.
    To me that proves to be divinely inspired as i have yet to meet a human who is able to do this.
    I am however aware that Satan will also want and be able to duplicate God as He always does but 7 won't work for him.

    I agree with you there is no way the Egyptians build the Pyramid of Giza ( there is nothing special about the other two) It seems it is evidence left for a time before us as stated in
    Ecclesiastes 1:10
    Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.


    Again giza also has a mathematical formula to it. I think you would be interested in reading the work of Adam Rutherford on this subject, it is highly mathematical and looks like it's right up our alley. This is the only link I could find with a preview if you find it interesting i'll look for some more info for you.

    From my own point of view, any sentence without some kind of numeric value or structure would make no sense, the tenses, grammar, spelling would all be incorrect.
    exactly ! But the Bible makes sense, it works !

    the amount of vowels/consonats deternine the numeric value.
    That is not true.

    I think we are heading in the same direction but don't know it yet.:thinkerg:

    Blessings
    Bee

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    Hello Bee,

    Just one question please, I am not wandering away from the topic I just want to ask you something before I reply on your latest post.

    Who do you believe Yahweh is? Do you believe he is God of Heaven and Earth, or do you believe he is a Tribal God of Judah? Or if neither of the two, who do you believe he is?

    Thanx
    Éx

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    Hi fulcrum
    the way I understand it is that when the Bible speaks of GOD/ Elohim, it is referring to the triune, being The Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
    the reason i say this is because in Gen 1:26 God/Elohim refers to themselves as " us."

    The Lord God is Yahweh, and we all know that the lord God is Jesus.
    I'm sure i don't need to quote scripture for that ?

    So Elohim/Yahweh are part of the same God, God of creation, God of man. God of Israel, the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.

    This I have noticed has caused much confusion amongst people as they cannot see the different names for the separate entities within the God head, so to speak.

    All three created and then the Lord God/ Jesus/yahweh took over.
    you will notice that when Jesus walked in the flesh He never ever addressed " Lord God " as it was Him, but Father.

    I hope that clears up your question.
    Blessings

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    Hello,

    I would like to know where you came to the conclusion that Jesus/Lord God/Yahweh is the same person as the name "Yahweh" means "Bedouin Warlord" and neither Jesus nor God Almighty nor The Father were Bedouin Warlords.
    Éx

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    Hi
    here we go.
    definition of Lord in Strongs

    H3068
    יהוה
    yehôvâh
    yeh-ho-vaw'
    From H1961; (the) self Existent or eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God: - Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.

    i see no bedoin god's here, ols show me.

    now for scripture.

    1Co 12:3
    Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
    Mt 4:7
    Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
    Mt 17:4
    Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here:
    Mr 12:29
    And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

    Joh 13:25
    He then lying on * Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it ?
    there are many, many more scriptures where Jesus claims to be " Lord God," just type into your online corcordance " Jesus is Lord" and they'll all pop up.

    Blessings

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    Hello Again,

    El, god of Israel --Yahweh, god of Judah
    By

    L. M. Barrť
    Due to a failure to distinguish between myth and history, biblical interpreters have implicitly accepted the view that Elism was an old form of Yahwism because the Elohist (Ex 3:13-15) and the Priestly Writer (Ex 6:2-3) declared it so. Actually, but a momentís reflection will show that El and Yahweh are not the same god. It is easily demonstrated that Yahwism and Elism were distinct religions, differing in more ways than they were alike.

    The earliest Yahwistic traditions reveal that Yahweh was a bedouin war god from the deserts of Edom and of the surrounding regions. His essentially warlike characteristics are demonstated by his name, by cultic celebrations of his mighty deeds, and by his ark.

    With regard to the Tetragrammaton,I think that the the strongest interpretation of the name regards "Yahweh" as an abbreviation of his official, longer name, "Yahweh Sabaoth." It means, "he musters armies." Yahweh's name identifies this god as primarily the military commander of his people.

    In Ex 15:3, Yahwehís name itself is defined in terms of war:

    Yahweh is a warrior
    Yahweh is his NAME
    The cultic celebration of Yahweh from the Song of Deborah also portrays him as a warrior:
    Yahweh, when you set out from Seir
    As you trod the land of Edom,
    Earth shook, the heavens quaked,
    The clouds dissolved into water.
    The mountains melted before Yahweh,
    Before Yahweh, the god of Israel.This dramatic description portrays Yahweh as a warrior on the move, whose might is so great that earth shakes at his step, the heavens quake, and the mountains melt before his march.

    Yahwehís ark also was strongly associated with warfare. It was thought that Yahweh was seated upon this moveable platform and that from here he led his troops to and from battle as he did against Jericho. So we find the formulaic saying in Num 10:35-36:
    And as the ark set out Moses would say,
    "Arise, O Yahweh, may your enemies be scattered
    and those who hate you to run
    for their lives before you!"

    And as it came to rest, he would say,
    "Return, O Yahweh
    to the thronging armies of Israel."
    Éx

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