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    John 14

    25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

    26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
    Bee777.

    If the purpose of the Holy Spirit is to remind us of what Jesus has said, we will have to consult Him in this matter.

    What did Jesus say about the murder on Him and his murderers?

    Liefde groete.

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    Ou Man
    please first answer my questions from the last post.
    I need to know your thoughts on the purpose of Jesus and also those scriptures.

    Thanks
    Bee777

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    You are quoting from the writings of mortals while Jesus himself is not consulted.

    That has always been the strategy of Paulinic Christianity practised by the church, namely to disregard the teachings of Jesus and substitute it with the dogmatism of the priesthood.

    All the quotes that you have given will be nullified if Jesus contradicts it.

    Do you know what Jesus taught concerning his death and the people that murdered him?

    Liefde groete.

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    I don't understand what you are saying ?
    Are you saying as I cannot use scriptures out of the Bible, as the whole Bible is corrupted ?

    I'm trying to understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Die Ou Man View Post

    That has always been the strategy of Paulinic Christianity practised by the church, namely to disregard the teachings of Jesus and substitute it with the dogmatism of the priesthood.
    Die Ou Man
    Please give me a link to info on this, have not heard that before.

    Thanks
    Bianca

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    John 14

    25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

    26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
    I give you the words of the Christ. You determine from this whether it was the Fathers intention to murder his Son.

    Matthew

    But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.
    Mark

    Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.
    Luke

    Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him
    The Father never intended to murder his Son. The Christ was murdered by Satan who was in cahoots with the priesthood.

    Do you know how the lie developed that preaches that the Christ was murdered in the interest of the people?

    The lie that makes us all part of the murder of the Son of Man.

    Liefde groete.

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    So us believing Jesus died on the cross to take away our sins is a lie?

    What was the purpose, in your opinion of Jesus coming to earth then ?

    By the way, if the blood sacrifice for forgiveness of sin, sin being the transgression of the law,
    was given by Satan then...................... was the law also given by Satan ?

    As they go hand in hand and given by the same person, be it Jesus ( Lord God)or Satan.

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    Good night DOM
    I'll check in the morning for your answers.

    Blessings
    Bee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bee777 View Post
    So us believing Jesus died on the cross to take away our sins is a lie?
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    Yes it is a lie. Jesus forgave numerous people on earth from their sins, without having to be murdered.

    After being murdered by Satan and his priesthood, Jesus gave the dissiples the power to either forgive people their sins or not to forgive them. What is the purpose of this power if Jesus has just recently been murdered to render them without sin.

    John 20.

    And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

    23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
    Jesus was givens specific instructions by the father. To be part of a child offering ritual was not part of his instruction. Therefore Jesus could declare that he had finished the work given by his Father, before the murder.

    John 17

    4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

    5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
    The murder therefore was not part of His work.

    Liefde groete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bee777 View Post

    What was the purpose, in your opinion of Jesus coming to earth then ?
    The Son of Man was sent to show us the way to eternal life.

    John 17

    1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

    2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
    How do we acquire eternal life? By murdering the Son of Man that was sent to teach us about eternal life? Certainly not.

    John 17

    3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
    Eternal life is within our grasp without having to murder the Son of Man.

    Liefde groete.

    Die Ou Man

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