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    Default Reincarnation - Reincarnation and Early Christianity

    Reincarnation and Early Christianity

    The first great Father of the early orthodox Church was Origen (A.D. 185-254) who was the first person since Paul to develop a system of theology around the teachings of Jesus. Origen was an ardent defender of pre-existence and reincarnation. Pre-existence is the religious concept of the soul as not being created at birth; rather the soul existed before birth in heaven or in a past life on Earth. Origen taught that pre-existence is found in Hebrew scriptures and the teachings of Jesus.

    Origen was a disciple of Clement of Alexandria who was a disciple of the apostle Peter. Clement and Origen wrote about receiving secret teachings of Jesus handed down from the apostles. One of these secret teachings was the concept of physical and spiritual rebirth. The existence of secret teachings and mysteries from Jesus is recorded in the Bible. Here are some of them:

    He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance." (Matt. 13:11-12)

    I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness - the mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations, but is now disclosed to the saints. To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory. (Col. 1:25-27)

    Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed. (1 Cor. 15:51)

    The doctrines of pre-existence and reincarnation existed as secret teachings of Jesus until they were declared a heresy by the Roman Church in 553 A.D. It was at this time that the Roman Church aggressively destroyed competing teachings and so-called heresies within the Church. Along with the destruction of unorthodox teachings came the destruction of Jews, Gnostics, and ultimately anyone who stood in the way of the Inquisition and Crusades.

    "If anyone asserts the fabulous pre-existence of souls, and shall assert the monstrous restoration which follows from it, let him be anathema [excommunicated]." - Decree of the Fifth Catholic Council declaring reincarnation to be heresy
    But on December, 1945, writings containing many of these secrets of early Christianity were unearthed in upper Egypt. This area was one of the the main locations where Christians fled to when the Romans invaded Israel. It was here that these secrets were continued to be taught. Undisturbed since their concealment almost two thousand years ago, these writings of the secret teachings belonged to a early sect of Christians called Gnostics and these writings ranked in importance with the Dead Sea Scrolls which were discovered two years later. These so-called secret teachings concerning life and death are strikingly similar to what we know about near-death experiences.

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    Default Reincarnation - Reincarnation and the Secret Teachings of Jesus

    Reincarnation and the Secret Teachings of Jesus

    There are many Bible verses that affirm the reality of reincarnation.

    The episode in the Bible where Jesus identified John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah the prophet is one of the clearest statements which Jesus made concerning reincarnation.

    For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come. (Matt. 11:13-14)

    In the above passage, Jesus clearly identifies John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah the prophet. Later in Matthew's gospel Jesus reiterates it.

    And the disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

    But he answered them and said, "Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand."
    Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matt. 17:10-13)

    In very explicit language, Jesus identified John the Baptist as the reincarnation of Elijah. Even the disciples of Jesus understood what Jesus was saying. This identification of John to be the reincarnation of Elijah is very important when it comes to Bible prophecy. By identifying the John with Elijah, Jesus identified himself as the Messiah. The Hebrew scriptures mentions specific signs that would precede the coming of the Messiah. One of them is that Elijah will return first.

    Behold I will send you Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. (Mal. 4:5)

    This is one of the major Messianic promises from God that is found in the Bible. And these John is Elijah references clearly demonstrate the reality of reincarnation. So there are two important conclusions we can draw from this:

    1. The Hebrew scriptures prophesied that Elijah himself - not someone like him or someone in the same ministry as him but Elijah himself - would return before the advent of the Messiah.
    2. Jesus declared John to be Elijah when he stated that Elijah has come.

    Based on these conclusions alone, either (1) or (2) must be true:

    1. John was Elijah himself which means that Elijah reincarnated as John the Baptist. And if this is true then reincarnation must belong once again in Christian theology. It also means that the concept of corpses crawling out of graves on Judgment Day can be discarded. OR...
    2. John was not Elijah reincarnated which means that Elijah himself did not return. And if this is true then either (1) or (2) listed below is true:

    1. Malachi's prophecy concerning Elijah's return to life before the coming of the Messiah failed to happen. This would mean that God does not keep his promise and that the Bible is fallible. OR...
    2. Jesus was not the Messiah.

    Based on all the logic presented thus far, only one of the following conclusions is true:
    • Reincarnation is a reality OR...
    • Jesus was not the Messiah OR...
    • Bible prophecies are not reliable.


    There is no way around this logic. Only one of the above options can be true. And because Jesus' declaration that John is Elijah is overt and direct, then the only option that can be logically true is (Reincarnation is a reality).

    After the beheading of John, Jesus took a few of his disciples to the top of a mountain and transfigured into a Being of Light. On the mountain with them as Elijah and Moses.

    After six days Jesus took Peter, James and John with him and led them up a high mountain, where they were all alone. There he was transfigured before them. His clothes became dazzling white, whiter than anyone in the world could bleach them. And there appeared before them Elijah and Moses, who were talking with Jesus ...

    As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus gave them orders not to tell anyone what they had seen until the Son of Man had risen from the dead.
    They kept the matter to themselves, discussing what "rising from the dead" meant.
    And they asked him, "Why do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?"
    Jesus replied, "To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things."
    "Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected?"

    "But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him." (Mark 9:9-13)

    The passage above describes the disciples seeing the spirit of Elijah and wondering again about Elijah's role. Jesus again identifies John to be the reincarnation of Elijah.

    The description of Jesus shining with light as the sun and clothes as white as the light is remarkably similar to descriptions of Jesus in many near-death accounts. This transfiguration of Jesus event in the Bible is just one of many events in the Bible that corresponds with near-death experiences.

    Another point to make is that the appearance of Elijah and Moses in spirit with Jesus refutes the concept of people sleeping in graves until the last day. In other words, it refutes the concept of resurrection.

    Skeptics of reincarnation like to quote the following Bible verse in an effort to refute Jesus' clear teaching of the reincarnation of Elijah as John the Baptist.

    And he [John the Baptist] will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah. (Luke 1:17)
    Skeptics claim that the above Bible verse affirms John to be merely a prophet who performed the same ministry as Elijah - not that John was actually the reincarnation of Elijah. But this is not what the verse actually says. In fact, the verse gives a perfect definition of reincarnation: the return of a person's spirit and power into another body. It is the spirit and power that reincarnates. Therefore this verse clearly states that John the Baptist had the spirit and power of Elijah. And this is exactly what reincarnation means. It does not get much clearer than this.

    Although John carried the living spirit of Elijah he did not carry his conscious mind and memory. Reincarnation involves only the higher consciousness of the spirit. Because John did not have the conscious mind and past-life memories of Elijah, John denied being Elijah. With very few exceptions, nobody has a conscious memory of past lives. The following is the Bible passage that shows John denying that he is Elijah.
    They asked him, "Then who are you? Are you Elijah?"
    He said, "I am not."
    "Are you the Prophet?"
    He answered, "No."

    Finally they said, "Who are you? Give us an answer to take back to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?"

    John replied in the words of Isaiah the prophet, "I am the voice of one calling in the desert, "Make straight the way for the Lord.""

    Now some Pharisees who had been sent questioned him, "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

    "I baptize with water," John replied, "but among you stands one you do not know. He is the one who comes after me, the thongs of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie." (John 1:21-27)

    Notice that the Pharisees questioning John were expecting the reincarnation of an Old Testament prophet. And John did not refute the concept of reincarnation when he stated his ignorance about having a past life as Elijah. But Jesus was not ignorant about John. Jesus knew better and said so in the plainest words possible:

    This is the one ... there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist ... And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. He who has ears, let him hear. (Matt. 11:11-15)

    Jesus revealed John to be Elijah; but John denied it. Which of the two people are right - Jesus or John? The answer should be very clear. John's denial of his own past identity as Elijah does not mean he did not have a past life as Elijah. This is especially true when Jesus claimed that John was indeed Elijah.

    The following is another Bible passage which describes other people who believed John to be Elijah or some other prophet:

    Now Herod the tetrarch heard about all that was going on. And he was perplexed, because some were saying that John had been raised from the dead, others that Elijah had appeared, and still others that one of the prophets of long ago had come back to life. (Luke 9:7-8)
    Perhaps it was the appearance of Elijah at the Mount of Transfiguration that led some to believe that John was still alive even after he was killed by Herod. This would also explain the rumor going around then that Elijah was raised from the dead.

    Even when we compare the physical description of John with Elijah we find a striking similarity.

    John the Baptist: John's clothes were made of camel's hair, and he had a leather belt around his waist. (Matt. 3:4)

    Elijah the prophet: He was a man with a garment of hair and with a leather belt around his waist. (2 Kings 1:8)
    The similarity between John and Elijah should not be dismissed as a coincidence. Believers of the concept of reincarnation know that personality traits can be passed on from one life to the next - even though conscious memories are not passed along.

    Another interesting parallel between John and Elijah has to do with karma. The Bible describes how Elijah had the priests of Baal killed with the sword because their sacrifice failed to catch fire whereas his did. Here are the two Bible verses that describe it:

    "Then Elijah commanded them, "Seize the prophets of Baal. Don't let anyone get away!" They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and slaughtered there." (1 Kings 18:40)

    "Now Ahab told Jezebel everything Elijah had done and how he had killed all the prophets with the sword." (1 Kings 19:1)
    Having all the priests of Baal beheaded seems like an incredible injustice on Elijah's part. This may explain why Elijah had to pay the karmic debt for this injustice by reincarnating as John the Baptist and having his own head cut off:

    "Prompted by her mother, she said, "Give me here on a platter the head of John the Baptist." The king was distressed, but because of his oaths and his dinner guests, he ordered that her request be granted and had John beheaded in the prison." (Matt. 14:6-10)

    Because Elijah had people beheaded, the law of "eye for an eye" and "reaping what we sow" demanded that Elijah be beheaded. This is a good example of how those who live by the sword will die by the sword - if not in the same lifetime then in another.

    The Bible does not limit the reincarnation of Elijah to John the Baptist either. The Bible suggests that another reincarnation of Elijah will occur around the time of Jesus' second coming. And not only does Elijah appear again at this time, but Moses is reincarnated as well. In the same way that John and Elijah appeared together on the Mount of Transfiguration so will they appear together at Jesus' return. Here is the Bible passage:

    And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees and the two lamp stands that stand before the Lord of the Earth. If anyone tries to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and devours their enemies.
    This is how anyone who wants to harm them must die.

    These men have power to shut up the sky so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying; and they have power to turn the waters into blood and to strike the Earth with every kind of plague as often as they want.
    (Rev. 11:3-6)
    While this verse does not specifically identify these two witnesses as Elijah and Moses, the miraculous powers they perform suggests it is them. Just like the two witnesses in the Book of Revelation, Elijah had the power to prevent rain from occurring (1 Kings 17:1; Jam. 5:17) and Moses is shown having the power to turn water into blood and to bring plagues (Exod. 7-12). The Bible passage in Revelation describes two prophets who have these identical powers as Elijah and Moses. Is this a mere coincidence? You be the judge. But if Elijah and Moses are to appear again at the second coming of Jesus then the only realistic way for this to occur is through reincarnation.

    With the appearance of Elijah and Moses at the first coming of Jesus, it is not a stretch to believe that Elijah and Moses will appear again at the second coming of Jesus. Also, the Malachi prophecy may actually be a reference to both of these incarnations of Elijah.

    Behold I will send you Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. (Mal. 4:5)

    There are two comings of Jesus to the world and it would be logical to assume that God will send Elijah at the second coming as he did at the first coming.

    During his first coming, the Bible records people wondering if Jesus was the resurrection of John the Baptist or a reincarnation of Elijah or some Old Testament prophet. Here is the verse:

    When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"

    They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."
    (Matt. 16:13-14)

    First of all, in the above Bible passage Jesus actually asks his disciples the identity of the person he was in a past life. Notice that the disciples knew exactly what Jesus was talking about and their answer to Jesus referred to people who died a very long time ago. Notice also that there is no Bible passage that shows Jesus refuting the concept of reincarnation whenever the concept is brought up. Instead Jesus teaches reincarnation.

    The next Bible passage shows Jesus telling his disciples that they don't know the spirit they possess. This is an important statement coming from the lips of Christ concerning one particular fact concerning reincarnation. People did not have a conscious awareness of the spirit they possess from a past life. Because of this people do not know who their spirit previously incarnated. The following passage demonstrates this:

    And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, "Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?"

    But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, "Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them."
    And they went to another village.
    (Luke 9:54-56, KJV)

    The above passage shows the disciples asking Jesus if they should call down fire upon a city just as Elijah did. Jesus responded by telling them that they don't know what spirit they have to be able to accomplish this. The spirit of Elijah can call down fire but this does not mean the disciples can.

    [Note: In the original text, the phrase "manner of" was not part of the above Bible verse nor in the Vulgate version. The phrase "manner of" was added at the time that the Bible was being translated into English. Without the words "manner of" in the verse it would be even more a clear reference to reincarnation. It would show Jesus telling his disciples that they "don't know what spirit they are of." However, in modern translations of the Bible this mistranslation is corrected.]

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    Default Reincarnation - The Pre-Existence of the Soul

    The Pre-Existence of the Soul

    As previously mentioned, pre-existence is the doctrine that a person's soul (and spirit) existed before they were conceived. This also means that all the Bible verses referring to reincarnation also refer to pre-existence. The pre-existence of the soul naturally assumes that reincarnation is a reality. Both reincarnation and pre-existence were concepts that were common knowledge in Jesus' day. And although the Jewish doctrine of reincarnation and the Persian doctrine of resurrection was common knowledge in those days, Jesus taught a more exalted form of resurrection - a spiritual rebirth (awakening) within the body by the Spirit of God. This teaching of Jesus was one of his higher teachings which he passed on only to his closest disciples. But it was frequently misunderstood by the public - especially in later centuries when the Church of Rome yielded more political power. This new form of "resurrection" is a mystical union and at-one-ment of the human body and spirit with the divine Spirit of God. In fact, this mystical teaching of uniting the human with the divine is a very ancient teaching that has been around for thousands of years before Jesus but has existed primarily in the East. Jesus referred to this mystical process as becoming "born again of the Spirit." It is the liberation of the spirit from the cycle of birth and death. And it means eternal citizenship in heaven never to experience death again. To be "born again of water" is a reference to reincarnation (the resurrection of the spirit into a new body).

    The pre-existence of the soul was a secret teaching held by early Christians until it was condemned by the Roman Church in 553 A.D., perhaps because it implied reincarnation spirit. The following Bible verses describes the pre-existence of souls.

    He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish in his sight and love. (Eph. 1:4)

    The above Bible verse states how God knew his chosen people before the world was created. This implies that these chosen people existed before before the world began. Someone may object to this interpretation by stating that these chosen people existed only as a thought in the Mind of God. But even if these chosen people existed only as a thought in the Mind of God it does not negate pre-existence. After all, there may be no difference between being a thought in the Mind of God and pre-existing as a soul. They are probably the same thing.

    Another Bible passage that supports pre-existence can be found in the Book of Jeremiah. The author of this book uses the metaphor of a potter (God) and clay (flesh) to describe how God creates, destroys and recreates (reincarnation) better pots (people). This perfection process that humans undergo is an excellent description pre-existence and reincarnation. The purpose for reincarnation is instruction and perfection. The following is the passage in Jeremiah:
    This is the word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord:
    Go down to the potter's house, and there I will give you my message.

    So I went down to the potter's house, and I saw him working at the wheel. But the pot he was shaping from the clay was marred in his hands; so the potter formed it into another pot, shaping it as seemed best to him.
    Then the word of the Lord came to me:

    "O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter does?" declares the Lord."
    (Jer. 18:1-6)

    For those skeptics who doubt this interpretation refers to reincarnation, Paul uses this same metaphor to describe how God is like a potter who can prefer one pot of clay over another - even before they were created:
    Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

    What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
    It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy.

    For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the Earth."

    Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
    One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?"

    But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, "Why did you make me like this?'"

    Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use? What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath - prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory.
    (Rom. 9:13-24)

    By comparing the sovereignty of God over humans with the sovereignty that a potter has with clay, Paul is affirming the pre-existence of Jacob and Esau. The central point Paul is making is that God created Esau as an object of wrath because of his so-called hatred for him before he was even born. This is also a good analogy when it is applied to the divine justice of God. God hated Esau because of a past incarnation that displeased God which would explain why God had him reincarnated as an object of wrath. The reverse of this is the case of Jacob. Because he led a previous life that pleased God he was reincarnated as an object of his mercy. Therefore this metaphor is rich with hidden knowledge concerning divine justice, the sovereignty of God, pre-existence, reincarnation, predestination and election. The following is another Bible verse supporting pre-existence.
    "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" (John 8:58)

    The above Bible verse shows Jesus telling his critics that he existed before Abraham was even born. This would be an impossibility unless Jesus pre-existed before he was born. And because Jesus had a human nature along with a divine nature, it does not take a leap of faith to believe that all humans pre-existed. The fact that Jesus taught reincarnation is reason enough to assume that all humans pre-existed.

    But if a person assumes that pre-existence and reincarnation are false doctrines then they must explain why there is such an incredible amount of inequities and injustices in life. We can see all over the world how some people are born into rich families with excellent health, provided the best education, live in palatial estates, and many other favorable conditions. On the other hand, some people are born in extreme poverty, with severe handicaps, uneducated, destitute, and many other unfavorable conditions. Without pre-existence and reincarnation this apparent inequity and injustice between people might make a person conclude that God is extremely unjust. Without pre-existence and reincarnation how are we to explain this? This very question was asked of Jesus by his disciples in the Bible passage below:

    And as he was passing by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who has sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind?"

    Jesus answered, "Neither has this man sinned, nor his parents, but the works of God were to be made manifest in him.'"
    (John 9:1-3)

    The disciples asked Jesus if the man committed a sin that caused him to be born blind. Given the fact that the man was blind since birth, this is an unusual question to ask unless pre-existence and reincarnation were a fact. How can a man sin before he is even born? The only conceivable answer to this question is a sin that was committed in a past life. And although Jesus stated that the reason the man was born blind was to manifest the works of God and not because of sin, this does not logically imply that everyone who is born in unfavorable circumstances are not born that way because of sin from a past life; unless you believe that all people who are born blind are born that way for the purpose of manifesting the work of God. Just the fact that this blind man and his circumstances are described in the Bible may be what Jesus was referring to concerning his manifesting the works of God.

    When this same blind man was brought before the Pharisees, they rejected the blind man's testimony because they believed he sinned before he was even born:
    You were born entirely in sins, and are you teaching us? (John 9:34 NAS)

    This shows that even the Pharisees believed is possible to sin before you are born and this implies pre-existence and reincarnation.

    It should also be pointed that Jesus did nothing to dispel or correct the idea that the disciples (and the Pharisees) believed in the possibility of sinning before being born. And because Jesus did not correct the implication of pre-existent sin, we can assume that pre-existence is certainly a possibility.

    The following Bible verse also supports pre-existence.
    Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. (Psalm 51:5)

    Unless pre-existence and reincarnation are true, the above Bible verse is completely absurd.

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    Default Reincarnation - Reincarnation and Divine Justice

    Reincarnation and Divine Justice

    According to the Bible, divine justice demands that sinners pay for their own sins. Jesus taught this when he declared:
    All who take the sword will perish by the sword. (Matt. 26:52)
    If any one slays with the sword, with the sword must he be slain. (Rev. 13:10)

    Common sense should tell us that everyone who lives by the sword (a life of crime for example) do not always die by the sword. A vast multitude of people throughout history have gotten away with their crimes. In fact, this is another apparent injustice that some people even use to deny the very existence of God. This statement from Jesus is completely absurd and ignorant unless reincarnation is true. For the divine justice that Jesus refers to as being true, people who don't pay for their sins in their life must pay for them in a future life. This fact also applies to the man born blind.

    Jesus also taught this law of divine justice in his parables:

    In anger his master turned him over to the jailers until he should pay back all he owed. This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart. (Matt. 18: 34-35)

    This law of divine justice was also taught by Paul:
    Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A person reaps what he sows. (Gal. 6:7)

    This is the law of divine justice is also found in the Old Testament:

    Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise. (Exod. 21:24-25)

    This law of divine justice is practically a universal religious concept. In eastern religions, this law of divine justice is known as karma. This law of divine justice is equal to the concept of reincarnation. This law of living by the sword and dying by the sword is the principle of reincarnation. In other words, this law of divine justice is the law of reincarnation.

    Only reincarnation can satisfy the divine justice of reaping what we sow, an eye for an eye, live by the sword and die by the sword. This universal law of God explains why some people are born under favorable conditions and others are born under unfavorable conditions. It is the very mechanics of birth and rebirth. Reincarnation is the missing link - the long lost doctrine - the key to understanding the secret and mystical teachings of Jesus.

    This law of God is the key to the following parable of Jesus:

    Again, it [the kingdom of heaven] will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted his property to them. To one he gave five talents of money, to another two talents, and to another one talent, each according to his ability. (Matt. 25:14-15)

    This idea that God gives people varying amounts of abilities at birth - each according to his ability - is the heart of reincarnation and the law of divine justice. The great Church Father Origen used this very parable to teach pre-existence and reincarnation.

    The soul has neither beginning nor end… [They] come into this world strengthened by the victories or weakened by the defeats of their previous lives. (Origen, De Principiis)

    When Origen used the parable of the talents to refer to reincarnation and pre-existence he was not introducing some foreign religious concept into the Christian religion. He was merely expressing what is described throughout the Bible and believed by early Christians to be one of the secret teachings of Jesus.

    Some early Christian sects not only believed that Jesus paid the debt of divine justice for Adam's original sin, they also believed that Adam was one of many reincarnations of Jesus. These early Christian sects were called the Ebionites, the Elkasaites and the Nazarites. Even the concept of Jesus paying the debt from Adam's sin makes more sense if reincarnation is assumed to be true.

    This law of divine justice is so universal that it even applies to science. It is Isaac Newton's law of cause and effect. It is also known as a law in physics: For every action there is an equal and opposing reaction and what goes up must come down. In fact, this law of divine justice is the very law of nature. Breaking the law of divine justice is very similar to breaking the law of gravity. The result is impersonal. Both are a transgression of the law of nature. Because of this we cannot blame God for the apparent injustices that happen to us. Like the law of gravity, if we go against this law of divine justice it is completely our fault and due to our ignorance of divine justice.

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    Default Reincarnation - The Dead Inherit the Earth

    The Dead Inherit the Earth

    The following Bible passage is a promise that Jesus makes to those who have forsaken everything to follow him:

    No one who has left home or brothers or sisters or mother or father or wife or children or land for me and the gospel will fail to receive a hundred times as much in this present age - homes, brothers, sisters, mothers, children and fields ... and in the age to come, eternal life. (Mark 10:29-30)

    Without reincarnation and pre-existence, this promise of Jesus is completely ludicrous because it would be impossible to happen. For example, it would mean that those who leave their parents for the sake of Christ will receive even more parents in the age to come. And those who leave their children for the sake of Christ will receive even more children in the age to come. It is evident that this promise by Jesus intends to be fulfilled in a future life on Earth.

    In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus taught the following principle:
    Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the Earth. (Matt. 5:5)

    This principle begs the question: When will the meek inherit the Earth? For millions of years it has been the aggressive and the strong who have ruled the Earth. In this world the law of evolution (another principle of reincarnation) applies and only the fittest and aggressive survive - certainly not those who are meek. This promise that the meek will inherit the Earth can only be fulfilled in future reincarnation. It means the meek will eventually rule the world when they reincarnate into meek rulers of the world - a promise that can only be fulfilled at another time.

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    Freewill

    What is freewill? What determines its definition? As for any concept, two questions provide the key to a valid identification: "What aspects of reality give rise to the concept?", and "What is its purpose?"

    What freewill tries to account for is our introspective conviction that we are in control of many of our choices, and thus our destiny - that we are free to think and decide. We contrast this flexible, conscious control that we enjoy with the involuntary action of, say, our heartbeat or digestion, and with the instinctual imperative of a bird's nest-building or a dog's conditioned response. Our decisions are far more independent of nature and nurture than any animal's; we are aware of our ability to think and of the consequences of our choices - we can claim responsibility for our actions. These are the meaningful differences that give rise to the concept of freewill.

    The two primary motives for wanting this concept, and for determining its validity, are the all-important questions of life's meaning and of personal responsibility. Without freewill, if we ultimately had no control over our goals and choices, if all of our actions were simply the inevitable operation of forces outside of ourselves, if freewill was some kind of illusion, then to many of us life would seem bleak indeed. Planning, self-esteem, prescriptive morality, self- and social responsibility would be quite meaningless. However, formulating the concept and proving its validity are two separate tasks - wanting something to be true does not make it so.

    Before I list some common definitions of freewill, let me construct a description of what we actually know about the concept that we call freewill - lest we smuggle in some unjustified or unnecessary aspects: A meaningful theory of freewill must account for our undeniable experience of freedom of choice. However, it does not necessarily need to conclude that our choices are free from antecedent factors - empirical evidence and reason must resolve that issue. Secondly, it must account for the flexible, conscious control that we experience in everyday life - the fact that we deliberately select goals, values, and optional plans of action. I insist that the question of what kind of mechanism gives rise to these abilities, whether it is deterministic or not, cannot form part of the definition of freewill.

    Here is sampling of traditional descriptions: "Freewill is the ability to freely choose one of several possible alternatives, to make decisions the outcome of which is and cannot be known in advance", "Freewill is the doctrine that human choices are not predetermined", "Freewill means that we are self-determined, not (ultimately) subject to forces outside of our control - it means, we could have done otherwise", "Freewill is the ability to choose and act according to the dictates of our own will", "Freewill comprises choices not caused by, and independent of antecedent factors"

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    Thanx again Stephanus! Very thought provoking material! Going to have to chew on this a bit, but it does make absolute sense.

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    Goeienaand Mnr. Die ou Man,



    Daniel 12:13

    En jy, gaan heen na die einde; en jy sal rus en weer opstaan tot jou bestemming aan die einde van die dae.

    Ek het op hierdie werf 'n skrywe gekry -

    AS there was a return of the spirit, or angel, of Elias in the person of John the Baptist before the advent of Jesus, so there will be a return of the angel of Daniel, before the next manifestation of the Christ. Daniel's angel is he who specially foretold the culmination and the hour of overthrow of the world's materialistic system. And when he had completed his prediction he told Daniel that he--Daniel--should rest for the present, but when the time was accomplished, and the end was at hand, he should return and stand again in his place, and prophesy before the world. And the token whereby the approach of the end should be known would be the spectacle of the "abomination of desolation standing in the holy place." A like assurance was given also to John. Now, the holy place is always--whether in the universal or the individual, in the macrocosm or the microcosm--the place of God and the Soul; and the abomination of desolation, or which maketh desolate, is that system of thought which, putting matter in the chief place, and making it the source, substance, and object of existence, abolishes God out of the universe, and the soul out of man, and thus, depriving existence of its light and life, makes it empty, desolate and barren, a very abomination of desolation.

    Jesus, recalling this prophecy, and citing the words of Daniel's angel, also foretold the same event as marking the end of that "adulterous" generation [a term identical with idolatrous as denoting the worship of and illicit association with matter], and the coming of the kingdom of God; and warned the elect in mystic phrase, thus to be interpreted:--

    "When, therefore, ye shall see matter exalted to the holy place of God and the soul, and made the all and in all of existence;"
    "Then let the spiritual Israel betake themselves to the hills where alone salvation is to be found, even the heights and fastnesses of the divine life."
    "And let him who has overcome the body, beware lest he return to the love of the flesh, or seek the things of the world."
    "Neither let him who is freed from the body become again re-incarnate."
    "And woe to the soul whose travail is yet unaccomplished, and which has not yet become weaned from the body."
    "And beseech God that these things find you not at a season either of spiritual depression and feebleness, or of spiritual repose and unwatchfulness."
    "For the tribulation shall be without parallel;"
    "And such that except those days shall be few in number, escape from the body would be impossible.
    "But for the elect's sake they shall be few.""
    "And if any shall then declare that here, or there, the Christ has appeared as a person, believe it not. For there shall arise delusive apparitions and manifestations, together with great signs and marvels, such as might well deceive even the elect. Remember, I have told you beforehand. "Wherefore, if they shall say unto you, Behold he is in the desert, whether of the East or of the West--join him not. Or, Behold he is in darkened rooms and secret assemblies--pay no regard."
    "For, like lightning coming out of the East and illuminating the West, so shall be the world's spiritual awakening to the recognition of the Divine in Humanity."
    "But wheresoever the dead carcase of error remains, around it, like vultures, will gather both deceivers and deceived."
    "And upon them, the profane, there shall be darkness; the Spirit shall be quenched and the soul extinct; and there shall be no more any light in heaven, or in heavenly science any truth and meaning. And the power of heaven upon men shall be shaken."
    "Then shall appear the new sign, the Man in Heaven, upon the rain-clouds of the last chrism and mystery, with great power and glory."
    "And his missioners shall gather the elect with a great voice, from the four winds and from the farthest bounds of heaven."
    "Behold the FIG-TREE, and learn her parable. When the branch thereof shall become tender, and her buds appear, know that the day of God is upon you."

    Wherefore, then, saith the Lord that the budding of the fig-tree shall foretell the end?
    Because the fig-tree is the symbol of the divine woman, as the vine of the divine man.
    The fig is the similitude of the matrix, containing inward buds, bearing blossoms on its placenta, and bringing forth fruit in darkness. It is the cup of life, and its flesh is the seed-ground of new births.
    The stems of the fig-tree run with milk: her leaves are as human hands, like the leaves of her brother the vine.
    And when the fig-tree shall bear figs, then shall be the second advent, the new sign of the man bearing water, and the manifestation of the virgin-mother crowned.
    For when the Lord would enter the holy city, to celebrate his Last Supper with his disciples, he sent before him the fisherman Peter to meet the man of the coming sign.

    "There shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water."

    Because, as the Lord was first manifest at a wine-feast in the morning, so must he consummate his work at a wine-feast in the evening. 1
    It is his Pass-Over; for thereafter the sun must pass into a new sign.
    After the Fish, the Water-Carrier; but the Lamb of God remains always in the place of victory, being slain from the foundation of the world.
    For his place is the place of the sun's triumph.
    After the vine the fig; for Adam is first formed, then Eve.
    And because our Lady is not yet manifest, our Lord is crucified.
    Therefore came he vainly seeking fruit upon the fig-tree, "for the time of figs was not yet."
    And from that day forth, because of the curse of Eve, no man has eaten fruit of the fig-tree.
    For the inward understanding has withered away, there is no discernment any more in men. They have crucified the Lord because of their ignorance, not knowing what they did.
    Wherefore, indeed, said our Lord to our Lady:--"Woman, what is between me and thee? For even my hour is not yet come."
    Because until the hour of the man is accomplished and fulfilled, the hour of the woman must be deferred.
    Jesus is the vine; Mary is the fig-tree. And the vintage must be completed and the wine trodden out, or ever the harvest of the figs be gathered.
    But when the hour of our Lord is achieved, hanging on his Cross, he gives our Lady to the faithful.
    The chalice is drained, the lees are wrung out: then says he to his elect:--"Behold thy Mother!"
    But so long as the grapes remain unplucked, the vine has nought to do with the fig-tree, nor Jesus with Mary.
    He is first revealed, for he is the Word; afterwards shall come the hour of its interpretation.
    And in that day every man shall sit under the vine and the fig-tree; the dayspring shall arise in the orient, and the fig-tree shall bear her fruit.
    For, from the beginning, the fig-leaf covered the shame of incarnation, because the riddle of existence can be expounded only by him who has the woman's secret. It is the riddle of the Sphinx.
    Look for that tree which alone of all trees bears a fruit blossoming interiorly, in concealment, and thou shalt discover the fig.
    Look for the sufficient meaning of the manifest universe and of the written Word, and thou shalt find only their mystical sense.
    Cover the nakedness of matter and of nature with the fig-leaf; and thou hast hidden all their shame. For the fig is the interpreter.
    So when the hour of interpretation comes, and the fig-tree puts forth her buds, know that the time of the end and the dawning of the new day are at hand,--"even at the doors."

    Groete en aangename aand.

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    Why are we where we are? We chose it. We chose where we are from the soul level, not the personality level. Before coming to earth, our soul chose the environment and conditions that could best develop the powers necessary for greater growth. After selecting the threefold vessel (physical, emotional and mental) we would use throughout our time here on earth, we chose our parents. We chose the environment and its conditions that we needed for the lessons we had to learn, the talents we had to develop, and the negative traits we needed to overcome in this lifetime.

    Reincarnation is grace in action

    Some of us elected very difficult circumstances with parents young in soul and asleep to spiritual matters. Some of us choose cruel and unloving parents because we have been like them in other lifetimes and are reaping the harvest of those wrong actions and wrong decisions. We choose circumstances and conditions that will enable us to experience the difficulties we created for others so that we can learn to choose differently – to choose love instead.
    Sometimes we choose challenging conditions either for growth in a specific quality that we lack or to bring love and light into an atmosphere that desperately needs it. This seems to be the case with souls who choose physically limited bodies – they do it for those they’re born to.

    Free will is not a religious gesture

    Free will is a law that governs our state of being on earth just like gravity is a law. Our will is our life; before, during and after life and death. We are allowed the choice to create as we decide – in this life right here and now. The choices we make create the life we live. We’ve all heard the cliché, “It’s not what happens to us that matters, but how we respond to what happens that matters.” We are given the freedom to choose the path we take in life and also the responsibility for the use of our creative powers.
    Spiritual organizations often help us to link ourselves with like-minded people to empower the truth we seek in our lives.

    Heaven and hell are states of consciousness

    When we misuse energy and create wrongly – against the universal flow of love, God, we must redeem our miscreations. Not because God ordained this, but because of the law of cause and effect. We can create Heaven and Hell by our actions and reactions.
    In this material plane, parents are responsible for the children they bring into being. The same is true for the creations we make through our thinking and feeling. We are responsible for our creations – our will is our life.

    The theory of reincarnation stops the blame game. An astrological natal chart provides the tools required to become who we are meant to become in this life rather than bemoaning our circumstances when things don’t go our way.
    There is no such thing as a straight line in the universe; space is curved. Everything sent forth from the creators – us – has to come back to its creator – again, us, either for good or ill. If we come bound into this livingness with difficulties it’s because we created those conditions in a past life, not God.

    Whatever negative conditions happen to us happen because we created them. This helps us change the question, “Why is this happening to me?” to “What in me is attracting this condition?”

    The only thing we can change is our mind

    And this is all that needs changing. If only it were as easy as just saying it! In order to remove the darkness from our lives we must turn on the light. At first, the light may reveal all the dust and debris in the outer corners of our character that must be cleaned up if we are to live in the light.

    It’s not happening to us; it’s happening for us

    In part one of this article, we read that we chose the circumstances of our lives prior to our birth into this lifetime. Condemning any conditions in our life is like inviting a guest over for dinner and then treating them badly when they arrive.
    Unloving criticism won’t change anything. A chick doesn’t hatch in a cold and frigid incubator. Only warmth – love in action – creates the climate that will enable the chick to grow and expand until the shell around him can no longer contain him. The chick’s own energy breaks through the shell and he is in a new and more expanded world. If we tried to take the shell off and release the chick before its time, it would die. The same is true with us. If we are cold and critical the potential of beauty and lovingness that is in each of us withers and dies.

    Silence is golden

    If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all. This goes for us as much as others. The power of the spoken word cannot be underestimated. Bless the conditions of your life despite their appearance and the love and light you send forth through that blessing can’t help but return to its creator ….you.


    (wat is jul respekvolle opinie?)
    Vriendelike groete
    Silencio
    Cause and effect applies to us all, consider therefore your thoughts, words and actions carefully.

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