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    Goeiemiddag,

    Met verwysing na Pred. 3 vers 15 ... wat was, is en sal weer wees......... en ook Matt. 13 vers 52 ..... ou en nuwe dinge .... het ek tot dusver gekry:

    Gen. 19 vers 5: En hulle het na Lot geroep en aan hom gese: Waar is die manne wat vannag na jou gekm het? Bring hulle na ons toe uit, dat ons hulle kan beken.

    Sodom is verwoes.

    Rigters 19 vers 22: Terwyl hulle hul hart vrolik maak, omsingel die manne van die stad, slegte manne, meteens die huis en klop hard an die deur: en hulle spreek met die ou man, die eienaar van die huis, en se: "Bring die man uit wat in jou huis ingekom het, dat ons hom kan beken.

    Hoofstuk 20 - Die stam van Benjamin word byna uitgeroei.


    Kan u dalk help met die verskil in jare of tydperk wat hierdie 2 gebeurtenisse plaasgevind het en ook of daar nog sulke ooreenstemmende gebeure is waarvan ek nog nie gelees het nie.

    By voorbaat dank.

    Groete.

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    Daniel 12:13

    En jy, gaan heen na die einde; en jy sal rus en weer opstaan tot jou bestemming aan die einde van die dae.

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    Ek het die onbekende woord (vir my) orakel gaan opsoek.
    Wat 'n verrassing toe ek ons eie Siener se naam - met 'n mooi positiewe gebruik ook daar kry, (pagancouncil). Groete en aangename dag.

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    Hallo Stefanus,

    Skuus ek pla jou so baie, maar dit is juis al die baie inligting op hierdie werf "wat my gelok" het om hier aan te sluit en dan net te hoop dat julle my gaan "verdra" met al my onkunde. Kan jy my dalk meer detail gee oor hierdie gedeelte van jou:

    ONS IS SPIRITUELE WESENS WAT ‘N MENSLIKE ERVARING HET, NIE MENSLIKE WESENS WAT ‘N SPIRITUELE ERVARING HET NIE.

    Reďnkarnasie berus in prinsiep op twee beginsels - karma en vrye keuse. Karma omvat die lesse wat jy in ʼn vorige lewe nie bemeester het nie, terwyl jou vrye wil jou die keuse bied om self te besluit in hoeverre jy die geleenthede tot spirituele groei in dié lewe wil benut.

    Ek probeer verstaan wat die verskil is tussen reinkarnasie en wedergeboorte.

    Ek sukkel ook nog met die "quotes" ens. So weereens, baie dankie.

    Groete en aangename nagrus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leerling View Post
    ONS IS SPIRITUELE WESENS WAT ‘N MENSLIKE ERVARING HET, NIE MENSLIKE WESENS WAT ‘N SPIRITUELE ERVARING HET NIE.

    Reďnkarnasie berus in prinsiep op twee beginsels - karma en vrye keuse. Karma omvat die lesse wat jy in ʼn vorige lewe nie bemeester het nie, terwyl jou vrye wil jou die keuse bied om self te besluit in hoeverre jy die geleenthede tot spirituele groei in dié lewe wil benut.

    Ek probeer verstaan wat die verskil is tussen reinkarnasie en wedergeboorte.

    Hello leerling,

    Reďnkarnasie en weergeboorte is sinoniem met mekaar en het niks met die kerklike siening van oorgaan van heiden na gelowige te doen nie, ek as kind van ons Hemelse Ouers hoef nie een of ander magiese gebeurtenis te ondergaan om as kind gesien te word nie. Vir sommige van ons is ons hier in 'n leerproses, vir ander om 'n spesifieke taak te verrig.

    In die boek van Henog raak die skrywer aan die onstaan van al die geeste, die geboorte van elkeen van ons, van die grondlegging is al die name in die boek van die lewe opgeskryf, was hul manier om oor te vertel dat elkeen van ons reeds lank terug as geestewesens (SPIRITUELE WESENS) gebore was en dat ons vleeslike geboorte slegs 'n reďnkarnasie oftewel 'n wedergeboorte in die vlees is.

    Daar is twee redes vir reďnkarnasie of om wedergeboorte te word en dit is wanneer jy nog erfsonde het om te betaal of 'n spesifieke taak het om te verrig wat net jy kan uitvoer.

    Die Bybel is uitdruklik daaroor dat geen kind vir die sondes van die vaders gestraf sal word nie maar daar word wel gewys dat elkeen van ons tot in die derde en vierde geslag vir ons sondes verantwoording moet doen, sonder reďnkarnasie of om weergebore te word is dit dan ook nie moontlik nie. Hierdie leerproses word deur middel van reďnkarnasie gedoen.

    Karma is basies die prinsiep van wat jy saai sal jy maai, so veroorsaak jy jou eie erfsondes wat jy in volgende of huidiglike lewe moet regmaak/terugbetaal, hierdie is die leerproses wat ons moet deurgaan, geniet die reis.

    Liefdegroete,
    Stefanus

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    Reincarnation is the re-birth of the soul, and is based on your karma, right? Then, where do all the new souls come from? I can accept that the soul has to be tested for worthiness before entering heaven, or the equivalent thereof. Just cannot figure out where the 'new' souls who start their journey come from.

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    Default Reincarnation - The Soul

    Quote Originally Posted by Schuch View Post
    Reincarnation is the re-birth of the soul, and is based on your karma, right? Then, where do all the new souls come from? I can accept that the soul has to be tested for worthiness before entering heaven, or the equivalent thereof. Just cannot figure out where the 'new' souls who start their journey come from.
    From the testimony of Scripture, in which God is spoken of as the author and Creator of the soul in a peculiar manner distinct from the body: "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." (Ecc. 12:7). Here a manifest difference is marked between the origin and the destruction of the body and the soul. The one is said to return to the dust (whence it was taken); the other, however, to return unto God (who gave it). Therefore since the body returns thither whence it had its origin, so also the soul. This is more clearly confirmed by the fact that God is said to "give the spirit", but not the body. For he is not the creator of the body.

    The scope, the words and circumstances of the text prove that it treats of the ordinary birth and destruction of men. Accordingly their bodies return to the dust (i.e., to the earth) whence they were taken, while their spirits return unto God.

    "The word of the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him" (Zech. 12:1).

    "We have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?" (Heb. 12:9).
    And Peter calls him in a peculiar manner a "faithful Creator of souls" (I Pet. 4:19).
    In Num. 16:22, God is called 'the God of the spirits of all flesh.' So too Is. 57:16: "For I will not contend forever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.'

    Now why should God be called "the Father of spirits" in contradistinction to "the fathers of the flesh", unless the origin of each was different?

    Liefdegroete,
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    Reincarnation of our soul - rebirth

    Talking about reincarnation or rebirth is automatically talking about the life cycles of the human soul: Long time ago, our souls left their divine origin to gain some experiences in the material world. It was clear from the very beginning that the souls would eventually return back to their divine origin, however. Therefore all our souls have the strong desire to return back to where they originally came from, respectively to their original divine state.

    A return to the divine origin will only be possible when the souls have reached a state of wholeness again similar to the above mentioned divine state. Concretely, this state is about personality traits, which are best described with unconditional love, (self-) honesty, happiness, modesty, humbleness, etc. Alternatively, you can describe this divine state with respecting the basic rights of existence.

    Through our living in the material world (previous incarnations), the above mentioned traits have been at least partially unlearned and replaced with striving for power and prestige, financial wealth and selfishness. After the death of a human being in the material world, the soul scrutinizes whether it has reached its divine state again. If not all of the above mentioned traits have been acquired or with other words, if the basic rights of existence were not fully respected, then this stage has not (yet) been reached. Most likely, the soul will decide sooner or later to reincarnate (rebirth) on the Earth to continue its education. That is because those traits which have been unlearned in the material world (on the Earth) can also most efficiently be retrained in the material world.

    Our living on Earth can therefore be described as a training camp to regain personality traits like unconditional love, self honesty, happiness, modesty and humbleness (see also our text about the development of human beings). Family, friends, acquaintances and „coincidental" encounters are our training partners for the souls on their way back to the divine origin.

    An incarnation must not be looked at as punishment for mistakes or vile actions in earlier incarnations. From the view of the soul, each incarnation is a new chance to get closer to its return back to the divine state of origin. The soul always incarnates voluntarily. Souls who heavily surrendered to striving for power, greed and selfishness may indeed decide to reincarnate in a real trouble spot and to live under worst conditions. This is solely to physically and emotionally sense the effects of power, greed and selfishness from other beings. It happens of the soul's free will and hoping that the impression of these bad experiences will finally lead to developing the desired traits in successive incarnations.

    One good tip for us

    Don't see anything wrong in our past, use the present we got to set up the best future, future intended for our next newborn life.

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    Thanks for the answer Stephanus, much obliged. Are there any Biblibal texts to support re-incarnation? I read the one you put up about being reborn, but are there any other texts to support this theory? If all is previously ordained, do we really have free will and can we neutralise karma? Kinda lika a short cut, or is that spiritual laziness?

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    Default Reincarnation - Reincarnation and the Hebrew Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Schuch View Post
    Thanks for the answer Stephanus, much obliged. Are there any Biblibal texts to support re-incarnation? I read the one you put up about being reborn, but are there any other texts to support this theory? If all is previously ordained, do we really have free will and can we neutralise karma? Kinda lika a short cut, or is that spiritual laziness?
    Reincarnation is the rebirth of a person's spirit into a new body to be born again as an infant. Resurrection is the "spiritual awakening" of a living person's spirit by the power of the Holy Spirit.

    Christians are usually very surprised to learn that reincarnation was a doctrine once held by many early Christians. Not only that, as you will soon see there is overwhelming evidence in the Bible of Jesus himself teaching it. More Biblical evidence can be found in Herbert Puryear's outstanding book entitled Why Jesus Taught Reincarnation and Dr. Quincy Howe, Jr.'s excellent book entitled Reincarnation for the Christian.

    The Book of Ecclesiastes
    In the following allegory that it is found through diverse verses of the Book of Ecclesiastes, also called The Preacher and whose writing is attributed to King Solomon, son of David, by the use of the figure of the flow of the rivers to the sea back and forth to describe the incessant come and go of human life, it's a clear reference to the continuous reincarnation and disembody of the spirits. He even refers to the veil that causes us not to remember previous lives. And once again, he refers to reincarnation calling it restoration in the original text (requireth in KJV).

    All the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full;
    unto the place from whence the rivers come,
    thither they return again.

    The thing that hath been it is that which shall be;
    and that which is done is that which shall be done;
    and there is no new thing under the sun.

    Is any thing whereof it may be said;
    See, this is new?
    It hath been already of old time,
    which was before us.

    There is no remembrance of former things;
    neither shall there be any remembrance
    of things that are to come with those
    that should come after.

    Ecclesiastes 1:7,9,10,11

    That which hath been is now:
    and that which is to be hath already been;
    and God requireth that which is past.

    Ecclesiastes 3:15

    Then, the biblical writer clarifies that "resurrection " will be through birth, an concept that Jesus affirms in John 3.

    Shall I bring to the birth
    and not cause to bring forth?
    saith the Lord;

    shall I cause to bring forth
    and shut the womb?
    saith thy God.

    And when ye see this,
    your heart shall rejoice,
    and your bones shall flourish
    like an herb.

    Isaiah 66:9,14

    Reincarnation and the Hebrew Religion

    The first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus wrote about the Pharisees being believers in reincarnation. The Pharisees were the Jewish sect which Paul belonged to before his NDE and conversion to Christianity. Josephus wrote about the Pharisees' belief that the souls of evil men are punished after death. But the souls of good men are "removed into other bodies" and they will have "power to revive and live again."

    From time to time throughout Jewish history, there was a persistent belief about dead prophets returning to life through reincarnation. But the Sadducees, a purist sect of Judaism, rejected the Persian concepts of resurrection and all Hellenistic influences involving reincarnation that was happening in Jesus' day. The Sadducees accepted only the orthodox Hebrew belief in Sheol. So there were a variety of influences going on in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus.

    When Jesus began his ministry, many people wondered if he was the reincarnation of one of the prophets. Some people wondered the same thing concerning John the Baptist. And even Jesus affirmed to his disciples that John the Baptist was indeed the reincarnation of the prophet Elijah. Throughout his ministry, Jesus taught people about the true resurrection - a spiritual rebirth within a living person. Thus, when Jesus stated that he was the resurrection and the life, he was teaching them a radical new principle. It was a rebirth of the spirit - not into a new body - as when we are born from our mother's womb - but a rebirth of our spirit within the body we now inhabit. Jesus was distinguishing between what was already believed in those days concerning the afterlife and a new teaching concerning a spiritual change within us that can lead to liberation. He was making a distinction between "the resurrection of the body" (returning to life from physical death) and "the resurrection of the spirit" (returning to life from spiritual death). As you will soon see, this confusion concerning Jesus teachings is documented in John 3 when Jesus had to explain to Nicodemus the difference between physical rebirth and spiritual rebirth.

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